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Arkantos · Nov 25, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Age

I much prefer [devastating hammer] over both of these.I just got SY which is probably to late.

There's absolutely no reason to run devestating over earth shaker in PvE.

Golganneth · Nov 25, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

To the OP -

The reason to choose Earth Shaker over Backbreaker or any other Hammer elite is because of it's AoE knockdown. Other hammer elites knock down a single target foe, which is sub par to AoE. Say a number of foes are spiking one of your party members - it would be much more efficient to knock ALL of them down instead of a Single target for obvious defensive reasons. If you'd rather Single Target DPS, Dragon Slash would be a better alternative. Earth Shaker keeps a complete group of foes knocked down, and you can apply Weakness along with Deep Wound with Pulverizing Smash to a single target.

So instead of knocking down one foe, applying weakness and deep wound - You can knock down a foe AND adjacent foes while still applying weakness and deep wound in one skill.

Age · Nov 25, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

There's absolutely no reason to run devestating over earth shaker in PvE.

I just prefer it over earth shaker.It is like you don't need Eviscerate in PvE but most Axe Warriors use it.

-Lotus- · Nov 25, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Age

I just prefer it over earth shaker.It is like you don't need Eviscerate in PvE but most Axe Warriors use it.

that doesnt make any sense at all...

Arkantos · Nov 25, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by Age

I just prefer it over earth shaker.It is like you don't need Eviscerate in PvE but most Axe Warriors use it.

No, it's not like that at all. In fact, what you just said doesn't relate to preferring devastating hammer and earth shaker at all.

Devastating hammer - 7a, 2s kd, weakness
Earth shaker - 8a, 2s aoe kd

Why would you rather have devastating hammer? I'm quite curious.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 25, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Choosing to use [[Cleave] rather than [[Eviscerate] in PvE is a solid choice. You'll get much more use out of your Elite, since most things die far too quickly for you to build the 7a for [[Eviscerate], but 4a for [[Cleave] is going to happen quite a bit.

Choosing [[Devastating Hammer] rather than [[Earth Shaker] is just plain silly. Arkantos already explained it very nicely - the 1a difference in cost is the difference between KD on one target or an entire MOB of targets. ES wins out on this one, hands down. If you can't stand the thought of not inflicting Weakness, there are other Hammer skills that will let you do so without sacrificing ES ([[Pulverizing Smash], for instance).

Coney · Nov 25, 2008, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

although actually [hundred blades] is better because i want to use my fellblade

I love that scaling =) /distract GW employees...

EDIT: The disproportionate boss to mob count seen in Factions (10 bosses per 150 mob) makes ES inferior - but everywhere else (3-5 bosses to 300-400 mob) ES clearly shines PvE.

Age · Nov 25, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

It is because I use this along with it as well as counter blow and protectors strike or bulls strike.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fierce_Blow

It is no more different than I prefer Eviscerate along with Excutioners Strike and Axe Twist as spiker in pve.

MisterB · Nov 25, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

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Originally Posted by Age

It is because I use this along with it as well as counter blow and protectors strike or bulls strike.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fierce_Blow

[Mighty Blow] says hi. It's one more adrenaline, but the damage is unconditional.

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

actually, the chances of [earth shaker] hitting more than one foe are approximately zero.
protip: [earth shaker] only hits one foe. foes adjacent to the hit foe are knocked down but not hit.

My mistake. I've run [[earth shaker] only once, along with [[crude swing] and [[whirlwind attack], and must have confused them.

Bobby2 · Nov 25, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Only mighty warriors like myself can overextend and still win.

<3

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Devastating hammer - 7a, 2s kd, weakness
Earth shaker - 8a, 2s aoe kd

Why would you rather have devastating hammer? I'm quite curious.

Not fair! You got 10 more HP than the rest of us QQ

point still stands though, AoE KD wins PvE

Super Igor · Nov 25, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Tyla

And D-Slash does that better.

Not really, no dw...

MS/DB > all of them tbh.

Maneo Ranae · Nov 25, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

[[Earth Shaker] simply owns PvE. Especially if you use it along with [[Whirlwind Attack] followed by a [[Belly Smash].

Whole mob down'ed, whole mob hit for 70 dmg, whole mob Blinded. It's over, POW!

=3.

Tyla · Nov 25, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Not really, no dw...

MS/DB > all of them tbh.

I heard you could take deep wound on another class and it wouldn't matter as much unless there's mass condition recovery in PvE.

Super Igor · Nov 25, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I heard you could take deep wound on another class and it wouldn't matter as much unless there's mass condition recovery in PvE.

Other classes usually have other stuff to bother about, and besides evis applies it really often which is good when your job is to take out stuff fast and often and I dont get your point about condition recovery.

Tyla · Nov 25, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Other classes usually have other stuff to bother about, and besides evis applies it really often which is good when your job is to take out stuff fast and often and I dont get your point about condition recovery.

If you're so hell bent on using deep wound over powering a KD, "SY!" and such, run a Warriors' Endurance bar with Dismember. Anyway, I'd just slap Cruel Spear on a Paragon for the deep wound. Dragon Slash has too decent DPS and adrenaline management to pass up.

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 26, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Also, chances are high that [[Earth Shaker] will hit more than one foe, earning that extra adrenaline you need for [[Mighty Blow].

actually, the chances of [earth shaker] hitting more than one foe are approximately zero.
protip: [earth shaker] only hits one foe. foes adjacent to the hit foe are knocked down but not hit.

Super Igor · Nov 26, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Tyla

If you're so hell bent on using deep wound over powering a KD, "SY!" and such, run a Warriors' Endurance bar with Dismember. Anyway, I'd just slap Cruel Spear on a Paragon for the deep wound. Dragon Slash has too decent DPS and adrenaline management to pass up.

For your notice, you can run evis and have a kd with no problem, I havent claimed tu run dw over a kd so your argument is a moot. Also let me say it again, if you have to run a second SY! your paragon sucks get a new one.

Cruel Spear has a condtitional dw, evis applies dw all the time.

Also, just decent is not good enough, it needs to be more than that.

Tyla · Nov 26, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

For your notice, you can run evis and have a kd with no problem, I havent claimed tu run dw over a kd so your argument is a moot. Also let me say it again, if you have to run a second SY! your paragon sucks get a new one.

Cruel Spear has a condtitional dw, evis applies dw all the time.

Also, just decent is not good enough, it needs to be more than that.

The condition of Cruel Spear won't matter unless your ES sucks. Your ES should have Crushing if you're so hard over the deep wound because D-Slash is better DPS.

Teutonic Paladin · Nov 26, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

For your notice, you can run evis and have a kd with no problem, I havent claimed tu run dw over a kd so your argument is a moot. Also let me say it again, if you have to run a second SY! your paragon sucks get a new one.

Cruel Spear has a condtitional dw, evis applies dw all the time.

Also, just decent is not good enough, it needs to be more than that.

If your CS Paragon can't land Cruel Spear with an Earthshaker on your team, he sucks, get a new one.

My two cents:
Eviscerate is awesome because it can nail unconditional Deep Wounds. Eviscerate is worse than the alternatives because it can only do that every 8 strikes, has to be in melee range, and is a prime target for as much shit as the mobs can throw at you. Cruel Spear is better than Eviscerate, the rest of the bar is better than the rest of the Eviscerate bar, and you don't have to take up a warrior slot that could be beating shit up with DSlash or KDing massive mobs with ES.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 28, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

^
QFT and /win